[arin-ppml] Board of Trustees Remands Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12

[ARIN]

On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft
Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the
Advisory Council, noting:

"The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy
2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN
Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a
more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends
interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous
delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if
such interviews have not been already conducted."

The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft
Policy and appropriate next steps.

Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:

https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html

Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:

https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:

https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Regards,

Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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[John Curran]

On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net> wrote:
>
> On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:
>
> "The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."
>
> The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.
>
> Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html
>
> Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.

/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

[Andrew Dul]

I'd like to propose to the community a rewrite of 2017-12 that would
hopefully bring it in line with the Implementation B option of the Staff
Implementation memo.

What do others think of this approach?

Andrew


===

Policy statement:

Insert one new section into NRPM 3:

3.7 POC Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation

When an organization submits a valid reallocation or detailed
reassignment request to ARIN, the reallocation or reassignment record
must contain POC objects which are currently valid in the ARIN
database.  If the POC objects are not valid, ARIN shall immediately
reject the reallocation or reassignment request.

If the reassignment or relocation record is inserted into the database,
ARIN will email the POCs associated with the new record notifying them
of the new resource being attached to their POC.

If the reassignment or relocation record fails to be inserted because
the POCs are not currently valid, ARIN should send an email notification
to the associated POCs that a reassignment or reallocation record was
rejected because their POC is not currently valid, and provide a link
for the user to validate their POC.



On 8/27/2018 8:12 AM, John Curran wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net> wrote:
>> On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:
>>
>> "The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."
>>
>> The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.
>>
>> Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html
>>
>> Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>>
>> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
> Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.
>
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
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[Owen DeLong]

Works for me.

Owen


> On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:14 , Andrew Dul <***@quark.net> wrote:
>
> I'd like to propose to the community a rewrite of 2017-12 that would hopefully bring it in line with the Implementation B option of the Staff Implementation memo.
>
> What do others think of this approach?
>
> Andrew
>
>
> ===
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Insert one new section into NRPM 3:
>
> 3.7 POC Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation
>
> When an organization submits a valid reallocation or detailed reassignment request to ARIN, the reallocation or reassignment record must contain POC objects which are currently valid in the ARIN database. If the POC objects are not valid, ARIN shall immediately reject the reallocation or reassignment request.
>
> If the reassignment or relocation record is inserted into the database, ARIN will email the POCs associated with the new record notifying them of the new resource being attached to their POC.
>
> If the reassignment or relocation record fails to be inserted because the POCs are not currently valid, ARIN should send an email notification to the associated POCs that a reassignment or reallocation record was rejected because their POC is not currently valid, and provide a link for the user to validate their POC.
>
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 8:12 AM, John Curran wrote:
>> On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net> <mailto:***@arin.net> wrote:
>>> On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:
>>>
>>> "The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."
>>>
>>> The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.
>>>
>>> Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html <https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html>
>>>
>>> Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html>
>>>
>>> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>
>> Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.
>>
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>>
>>
>>
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[Mike Arbrouet]

It reads well to me.

Mike Arbrouet, CISSP


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Works for me.

Owen


On Oct 20, 2018, at 11:14 , Andrew Dul <***@quark.net<mailto:***@quark.net>> wrote:

I'd like to propose to the community a rewrite of 2017-12 that would hopefully bring it in line with the Implementation B option of the Staff Implementation memo.

What do others think of this approach?

Andrew


===

Policy statement:

Insert one new section into NRPM 3:

3.7 POC Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation

When an organization submits a valid reallocation or detailed reassignment request to ARIN, the reallocation or reassignment record must contain POC objects which are currently valid in the ARIN database. If the POC objects are not valid, ARIN shall immediately reject the reallocation or reassignment request.

If the reassignment or relocation record is inserted into the database, ARIN will email the POCs associated with the new record notifying them of the new resource being attached to their POC.

If the reassignment or relocation record fails to be inserted because the POCs are not currently valid, ARIN should send an email notification to the associated POCs that a reassignment or reallocation record was rejected because their POC is not currently valid, and provide a link for the user to validate their POC.



On 8/27/2018 8:12 AM, John Curran wrote:

On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net><mailto:***@arin.net> wrote:


On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:

"The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."

The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.

Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:

https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html

Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:

https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:

https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html


Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.

/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN





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[Brian Jones]

This seems completely reasonable to me.

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> On Oct 20, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Andrew Dul <***@quark.net> wrote:
>
> I'd like to propose to the community a rewrite of 2017-12 that would hopefully bring it in line with the Implementation B option of the Staff Implementation memo.
>
> What do others think of this approach?
>
> Andrew
>
>
> ===
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Insert one new section into NRPM 3:
>
> 3.7 POC Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation
>
> When an organization submits a valid reallocation or detailed reassignment request to ARIN, the reallocation or reassignment record must contain POC objects which are currently valid in the ARIN database. If the POC objects are not valid, ARIN shall immediately reject the reallocation or reassignment request.
>
> If the reassignment or relocation record is inserted into the database, ARIN will email the POCs associated with the new record notifying them of the new resource being attached to their POC.
>
> If the reassignment or relocation record fails to be inserted because the POCs are not currently valid, ARIN should send an email notification to the associated POCs that a reassignment or reallocation record was rejected because their POC is not currently valid, and provide a link for the user to validate their POC.
>

+1


>
>
> On 8/27/2018 8:12 AM, John Curran wrote:
>> On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net> <mailto:***@arin.net> wrote:
>>> On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:
>>>
>>> "The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."
>>>
>>> The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.
>>>
>>> Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html <https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html>
>>>
>>> Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html>
>>>
>>> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>
>> Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.
>>
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>>
>>
>>
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[David Farmer]

I like this approach. However, I have a question, do all the POC objects
need to be valid or does at least one of the POC objects need to be valid?

If we care we might want to be more specific on that point, I think it is
possible to read the current text either way right now.

I think I like at least one POC MUST be valid, then notify all POCs of the
detailed reassignment or reallocation, and of any other POCs that are
invalid.

In other words, only fail if all the POCs are invalid.

Thanks

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:23 PM Andrew Dul <***@quark.net> wrote:

> I'd like to propose to the community a rewrite of 2017-12 that would
> hopefully bring it in line with the Implementation B option of the Staff
> Implementation memo.
>
> What do others think of this approach?
>
> Andrew
>
>
> ===
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Insert one new section into NRPM 3:
>
> 3.7 POC Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation
>
> When an organization submits a valid reallocation or detailed reassignment
> request to ARIN, the reallocation or reassignment record must contain POC
> objects which are currently valid in the ARIN database. If the POC objects
> are not valid, ARIN shall immediately reject the reallocation or
> reassignment request.
>
> If the reassignment or relocation record is inserted into the database,
> ARIN will email the POCs associated with the new record notifying them of
> the new resource being attached to their POC.
>
> If the reassignment or relocation record fails to be inserted because the
> POCs are not currently valid, ARIN should send an email notification to the
> associated POCs that a reassignment or reallocation record was rejected
> because their POC is not currently valid, and provide a link for the user
> to validate their POC.
>
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 8:12 AM, John Curran wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net> <***@arin.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:
>
> "The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."
>
> The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.
>
> Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html
>
> Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
>
> Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.
>
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
>
>
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[David Farmer]

Here are some simplified text and a update the title. I think using an "at
least one" standard creates an appropriate burden for organizations
submitting reallocation or detailed reassignment requests while ensuring
POCs are notified and there is minimal validity based on the standard in
section 3.6.5. Having all POCs valid for a request to move forward is
probably too high of a burden for organizations submitting reallocation or
detailed reassignment requests.

3.7 POC Notification and Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation

When an organization submits a reallocation or detailed reassignment
request to ARIN, it must contain at least one POC object which is currently
valid in the ARIN database. If none the POC objects are valid, ARIN shall
immediately reject the request.

ARIN will notify, via email, all POC objects associated with such requests
as to its result, successful or rejected, along with a request to validate
any invalid POC objects.


On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:35 PM David Farmer <***@umn.edu> wrote:

> I like this approach. However, I have a question, do all the POC objects
> need to be valid or does at least one of the POC objects need to be valid?
>
> If we care we might want to be more specific on that point, I think it is
> possible to read the current text either way right now.
>
> I think I like at least one POC MUST be valid, then notify all POCs of the
> detailed reassignment or reallocation, and of any other POCs that are
> invalid.
>
> In other words, only fail if all the POCs are invalid.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:23 PM Andrew Dul <***@quark.net> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to propose to the community a rewrite of 2017-12 that would
>> hopefully bring it in line with the Implementation B option of the Staff
>> Implementation memo.
>>
>> What do others think of this approach?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Policy statement:
>>
>> Insert one new section into NRPM 3:
>>
>> 3.7 POC Validation Upon Reassignment or Reallocation
>>
>> When an organization submits a valid reallocation or detailed
>> reassignment request to ARIN, the reallocation or reassignment record must
>> contain POC objects which are currently valid in the ARIN database. If the
>> POC objects are not valid, ARIN shall immediately reject the reallocation
>> or reassignment request.
>>
>> If the reassignment or relocation record is inserted into the database,
>> ARIN will email the POCs associated with the new record notifying them of
>> the new resource being attached to their POC.
>>
>> If the reassignment or relocation record fails to be inserted because the
>> POCs are not currently valid, ARIN should send an email notification to the
>> associated POCs that a reassignment or reallocation record was rejected
>> because their POC is not currently valid, and provide a link for the user
>> to validate their POC.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/27/2018 8:12 AM, John Curran wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Aug 2018, at 7:04 PM, ARIN <***@arin.net> <***@arin.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 31 July 2018, the ARIN Board of Trustees remanded Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the Advisory Council, noting:
>>
>> "The ARIN Board of Trustees remands ARIN Recommended Draft Policy 2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment to the ARIN Advisory Council. Noting the complexity of the policy, the Board wants a more complete policy assessment of technical soundness, and recommends interviews by the Advisory Council with ISPs who make numerous delegation requests including those with IP management platforms, if such interviews have not been already conducted."
>>
>> The Advisory Council is considering the remand of the Recommended Draft Policy and appropriate next steps.
>>
>> Board of Trustees Meeting Minutes are available at:
>> https://www.arin.net/about_us/bot/index.html
>>
>> Draft Policy and Policy Proposal texts are available at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>>
>> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>>
>> Note also that the ARIN Board of Trustees reviewed the AC recommendation as well as a Staff Implementation Assessment memo when considering disposition of Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12. A copy of that Staff Implementation Assessment memo is attached as background.
>>
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>>
>>
>>
>>
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